Author
|
Topic: Terrorism in the US
|
RexxLaww Moderator
   
Posts: 1158 From: USA Registered: Mar 2001 |
posted 11 September 2001 19:44
I am employed by the federal government. Today was as ground shaking as I have seen in my 18 years of service. My prayers and condolences go out too those who have lost today.And Godspeed to the rescue workers, firemen, policemen, and medical people who are aiding in picking up the pieces. An 'analyst' called it a "low tech, high concept" act of terrorism. I call it cowardice. ------------------ Good, Bad, Ive got the gun. Darkness Weaves

|
Zhoulomcrist Forum Admin.
    
Posts: 3239 From: USA Registered: Jan 2001 |
posted 11 September 2001 19:55
It is a damned shame and a waste of innocent lives.  ------------------ Pride is an instrument of the devil. Necessary evil at times, An addiction at others, and always comes with a big long drop-off at the end. ZhoulomCrypt keeper. For more information/download on the ZhoulomCrypt mod, visit the web-site.

|
medisinner man WarLord
  
Posts: 227 From: Registered: Aug 2001 |
posted 11 September 2001 20:09
To be serious for a moment, my condolences are for the thousands who perished in the most terrifying of circumstances, the ones severely injured, and the loved ones who are worried sick about what happened to their relatives and friends. Also a salute to the NYC firefighters and policemen who sacrificed their lives rescuing others. The death count of the Bravest and the Strongest was least 25-100. We who lived in New York City have lost our swagger today. Thank you fellow modders

|
sozotrunks Moderator
   
Posts: 539 From: Someplace, You don't, Live Registered: Feb 2001 |
posted 11 September 2001 21:20
The hardest part about having watched the towers fall, was that I was stuck in a seat, unable to help in anyway, and surrounded by people who seemed not to care. As someone once said at the PA Phorum..."Waiting is the hard part".------------------ "Er, sorry. We're a little short on sanity today. Would you like me to call you when we get some in?"

|
MPHG Forum Admin.
    
Posts: 1693 From: simwhere Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 12 September 2001 09:56
The only thing that bugs me, ALOT more then anything else is.in some arab country there are celebrating. giving out candy like if it's a holiday. To me this is a HIGH insult. I hope who ever is responsible will be found soon. it's time for the group to meet there maker. Also as Bush said "those who harbor them" Not to sound mean or anything, just blowing off steam

|
Starwolf Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 535 From: Burton, Ohio Registered: May 2001 |
posted 12 September 2001 10:14
You don't sound mean, not at all. Celebrating because thousands of innocents were killed IS an insult.------------------ You're good, but I'm better!

|
Red_Death Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 310 From: Burton Ohio, United States Registered: Aug 2001 |
posted 12 September 2001 10:56
You Can't Expect Any Better From Them, They've Been Brainwashed Since Birth To Think America Is Evil, And If You Die In An Act Of Terror Against America You're A Hero And You Go To Heaven, Brainwashing And Propaganda Are Two Very Powerful Things. I Just Have A Feeling That After President Bush's Speech Last Night 'And Those Who Harbor Them' E.g. Terrorists, That Countries That Harbor Terrorists Are In For A World Of Pain, Very Unfortunate, But Now Quite Likely.

|
Ranefall Lord
 
Posts: 128 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Registered: Sep 2001 |
posted 12 September 2001 14:01
OK, I say bomb them. But thats just my opinion. I live in Canada and the news reached me at school! It practically devestated the hole class and we had discussed it the rest of the period yesterday and discussed it again last period. I'm very sorry for everyone who had lost family members, freinds, relatives, etc. Whatever you people in US are going to do I'll probobly be supporting your decision. Please everyone, take a moment to reflect on what has happened.

|
iowan Forum Admin.
    
Posts: 766 From: Netherlands Registered: Jan 2001 |
posted 12 September 2001 16:07
if we start bombing ( NATO ) before it is known who did this the whole thing might escalate , i think the USA will make sure they get the right one's and will have no mercy to those who did it and those who sheltered them . and thats how it should be , lets face it , it must be hard to get justice and on the other hand maintain the world peace . i think u must realize that the cheering peope , firing their guns have not seen yet what we have seen on CNN , as u might know in some countries that a run by these crazy dictators , tv is forbidden , so is the internet , if they would have seen what we have seen , they wouldn't be cheering. and ,,, if they don't act happy they might be considered pro-America , and that will get them hanged , shot or stoned. for now , we should help the USA wherever we can , and then act as one when its time for justice , and with one i mean every country in the world that will not take this act of violence towards innocent people , freedom and democracy.

|
MPHG Forum Admin.
    
Posts: 1693 From: simwhere Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 12 September 2001 20:04
[side note / joke] The new world councilshould start up , it should include 90% of the people that posted on this topic. Hell if we can get along quite well. Why not the rest of the world? As far as i see it. it's a game to many people. People around my town seem to want war. I feel nothing good will come from it. See ya all Make tea not war!!!!

|
Savage-Banana Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 312 From: Nanimo B.C. Canada Registered: Jan 2001 |
posted 12 September 2001 20:15
lol, i like that last statment------------------ Yours truly Al "Never miss a good chance to shut up."

|
Zhoulomcrist Forum Admin.
    
Posts: 3239 From: USA Registered: Jan 2001 |
posted 12 September 2001 20:53
Hell yeah . That last statement right there "Make Tea, not War" suits the d!ckens outta me . Fact, I'm drinking some tea right now as I type this out.------------------ It is easier to destroy than to create. ZhoulomCrypt keeper. For more information/download on the ZhoulomCrypt mod, visit the web-site. [This message has been edited by Zhoulomcrist (edited 12 September 2001).]

|
Sir_General Moderator
   
Posts: 697 From: Registered: Aug 2001 |
posted 12 September 2001 21:09
If we don't drink tea, is ok to make hot cocoa or something? Perhaps orange juice?------------------ Sir_General That's Sir_General with a _. Leave it out and I'll beat you with a rubber chicken.

|
Zhoulomcrist Forum Admin.
    
Posts: 3239 From: USA Registered: Jan 2001 |
posted 12 September 2001 21:20
That'l work Chocolate Milk, Hot Cocoa, Orange Juice, etc... anything of that nature will still work .------------------ It is easier to destroy than to create. ZhoulomCrypt keeper. For more information/download on the ZhoulomCrypt mod, visit the web-site.

|
Maldroth WarLord
  
Posts: 183 From: Bismarck Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 12 September 2001 22:29
the one thing that is on foriegn countries minds is. what will america do? they agree with us that this is terrible and that we will take action. but what kind? and against who? the statement bush said "...and those who harbor them..." is a scary statement becauase it sounds like we would bomb anyone into the stone age for even being closely involved. But also look at this. all of those arab countries cheering that this happened and perhaps did hold the terrorists that did this. they will perhaps rethink that policy due to the fact that no one in the world will support them against us. i doubt that anyone else would get involved militarily but i think it would turn into a fight where they will turn their eye a bit to this. I think a few of the arab countries will decide that these terrorist will not be worth all of this trouble. but perhaps i'm reading into world politics too much. What i'm hoping for is that with what happened america will stop thinking that it is indestrucable (pretty unfortunate proof) and would as a world citizen in helpping prevent terrorism no matter who the targetthat's all i have to say on this at the moment

|
Mephistopheles Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 1131 From: Portland, Or, USA (kessan dalet) Registered: Mar 2001 |
posted 13 September 2001 02:56
Sacrifice to the cause Turn your code into law Compensate to validate the loss Take a thief Nail him to a cross Gospel of rage Faction of hate Deviate from the absolute Born of revenge ------------------ Buildings fall - People crawl Nailed against another wall Light or dark - Break and start Idiot could play the part Make it mine - Pain and crime Fading light - Other signs Take it back - Crowbars crack Break it down - Remain intact There's nothing like giving the game away All the people are feeling the same today ----------------------- These are just some lyrics from some KMFDM song I just though kinda go w/ whats going on or something like that. Anarchy & Craze are the 2 songs. This stuff is on every TV/Radio CH. you cant get away from it. Its talk about at schools and at my work. and I do hope that the person[s] is/are found and that they meet their maker. From what my gf told me, it was the other day that Bush was on the phone w/ his dad on what he should do about this. I kinda find that alil' funny. Hes a grown man cant he pick on his own what to do. She also told me that he was thinkn' of startn' a war. Hey maybe I just heard her wrong. I feel the pain that these ppl are going through. Yes its sad & sick. Raised on cement Chaos created government ------------------ Eternal Night- http://cgi-bin.spaceports.com/~enteam/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi Let Darkness Reign- *Come Visit Our Forum Today*

|
Clannad WarLord
  
Posts: 166 From: Sweden Registered: Feb 2001 |
posted 13 September 2001 04:55
quote: Originally posted by Mephansteras: Fortunatly, none of my relatives in New York were hit by this, but it's a horrible thing to have to hear about. Sadly, I think the world is heading for far worse than this in the future.  About 8 years ago I was doing a bunch of card readings about the future, and all of them pointed towards chaos in the future. My best guess at the time was about 15 years...and since then things here and around the world have been getting worse...If I was right (and I REALLY hope I'm not) we have maybe 8 years left to go before things get really bad. Lets just hope we can handle it.
Lets hope you are wrong, but i have read from other sources about similar predictions, some very old.
quote:
"In the city of God there will be a great thunder, two brothers will be torn apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader vill succumb". "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning".-Nostradamus 1654
shivers

|
l@st 1 WarLord
  
Posts: 236 From: Aust. WA Registered: Sep 2001 |
posted 13 September 2001 08:36
to right.I posted a topic in Off Topics called "A Minute of Silence" As it shows it was for they people that were injured and for those that lost their lives. some STUPID ****ed up people out there hey. Australians are with you all the way USA. I hope too, that the USA governments reaction does not lead into any serous reactions any countries. IE lead to WW3 or anything like a war between contouries. I personally do think though that once found, these terrorist should be punished in the HARSHEST WAY POSSIBLE. Which I am sure you all think this too. I was speachless apon seeing the coverage in the first few hours of this tragady. The terror going through there hearts at the time is unimaginable. I was terror struck when the buildings fell atop the rescue crews that were there at the time doing their best to save the injured, and then becomming the injured themselves. Best wishes to everyone in the USA at this hard time. ------------------ Trust Me = it takes a lifetime to find where U belong, and two lifetimes to find your Soulmate, but, I do not have a Lifetime or 2 of time on my hands....

|
fecesfaerie Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 275 From: North Carolina Registered: Jul 2001 |
posted 13 September 2001 09:30
quote: Originally posted by Mephistopheles: From what my gf told me, it was the other day that Bush was on the phone w/ his dad on what he should do about this. I kinda find that alil' funny. Hes a grown man cant he pick on his own what to do. She also told me that he was thinkn' of startn' a war. Hey maybe I just heard her wrong.
Personally, I don't find anything wrong with this. I'm not a Bush fan, but I think it's a smart direction to seek advise outside his own. His father IS a former president after all, and if memory serves, he's the only living President to govern during a US war. I had heard yesterday that Bush had contacted several former presidents to seek their thoughts on this situation; it's only natural that his father would be one of them.

|
jbouley Forum Admin.
    
Posts: 4907 From: Portland, Maine, USA Registered: Jan 2001 |
posted 13 September 2001 11:21
It's quite a quandary for me personally. For one, thing, I'm not into the whole war thing, and Lord knows the U.S. has dirtied its hands in more than a few places. On the other hand, nothing we've done deserved an act of retaliation this evil and cruel, so it sort of demands a response.Further complicating things, of course, is that I follow Jesus' lead, which says to turn the other cheek. However, he didn't say turn both cheeks twice, bend over and present your nether cheeks for a whipping, and then roll over an expose your soft underbelly.  So clearly we have to defend ourselves, and we need to do so definitively and authoritatively...and that almost certainly that will lead to violence of some sort. So, in the end, I'm left only with this: I am to love my enemy and pray for that enemy. There's no room for negotiation for that in my faith and beliefs. I am to forgive the sins of others against me. But those who live by the sword shall die by it, and those who commit violence like this must be punished. I forgive them, and I hope some of the villains repent of their actions and put themselves right with God before they end up standing in the afterlife for judgment. I pity them to some extent for their narrow minded and hate-filled intentions. But what they have reaped, they will sow...and I have no regrets for what will befall them in this life...but they have a lot to answer for in the next one...and I hate to see anyone leave the world with a stain like that on their record...no matter how evil they are. I don't have the freedom to be angry...but I have full license to be sorrowful. My sorrow goes out first to those who have died and their families...and I pray for their well-being. My sorrow goes out next to all those of Middle Eastern descent who will be caught in the anger and crossfire (and who don't deserve it)...last of all my sorrow for those who are behind this, that they can harbor such hate and still sleep at night; that they were raised with such a philosophy of wanton destruction. I pray for their souls...if they still have any to pray for. ------------------ - JEFF "A hero is no braver than anyone else. He is only brave five minutes longer." Visit my mod site at www.planetdiablo.com/sanctuary

|
Red_Death Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 310 From: Burton Ohio, United States Registered: Aug 2001 |
posted 14 September 2001 00:56
The People Who Do Things Like This And Allow Things Like This To Happen, Have No Respect For Human Life. People Without Respect For Human Life Should Not Be Considered Human, And Thusly, Should Not Be Afforded The Mercies We Would Bestow On A Human. I Hope With All Of My Heart That The US Armed Forces Give The Garbage Responsible For This A Very, Very Painful End To Thier Collective Existances.

|
falcondfb Lord
 
Posts: 107 From: Jersey, USA Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 14 September 2001 09:49
this is my first day back in NYC, where i work, since the disaster. I guess i am the only one here at the forums that saw it first hand. I work about 30 blocks north of the towers and i did not see the planes hit, the first did however fly directly over us, down the avenue and into the building. We went to the park 2 blocks away and had a clear view of the buildings on fire. It was not to be believed. Like a dream. Such a big hole in the building, so much smoke and fire. The worst part was knowing that people were dieing as we watched. Then they fell. So many innocent lives lost in an instant, including SO many rescue workers. All I could do is pray, and have been ever since. It is the only thing that gives me comfort. Today on the train on my way in it was very quiet and empty. I talked to the "coffee guy" at the train station and he was running down a list of people i took the train with who are now gone. I as a human want vengence, as a christian i want mercy and forgiveness, as a American i want my president to do both. I do not want more innocent people of any country to perish. We will rebuild, and be stronger because of it. GOD BLESS AMERICA------------------ Thy word is a lamp unto my feet.

|
jbouley Forum Admin.
    
Posts: 4907 From: Portland, Maine, USA Registered: Jan 2001 |
posted 14 September 2001 11:58
quote: Originally posted by Red_Death: People Without Respect For Human Life Should Not Be Considered Human, And Thusly, Should Not Be Afforded The Mercies We Would Bestow On A Human.
While I understand this thought, I cannot embrace it. I don't condemn you for holding it or professing it, but as a Christian I must stand against it in my own thoughts and deeds as I walk through life. Are the people behind this heinous criminals? Most certainly. Must they be hunted down and brought to justice? No doubt about it. Should they be put to death upon a finding of guilt? Probably so. But I cannot, will not (and am not given the latitude to by my Lord) view them as no longer human. Evil they may be. Misguided they be. Deserving of punishment they may be. But they remain humans with souls...souls in terrible jeopardy. For that I will grieve....just as I grieve for the dead, their families, their friends, their nations. I will hate what the terrorists stand for, and what they took away from the victims and their families. I will hate their actions. But I cannot hate them. Jesus hated no one, and I dishonor my Lord if I allow myself to fall into that trap. As painful as it may sometimes be, I must pray even for my enemies. Not for their success mind you, but for their souls...that they may find the right path before death...even if it should happen after they have already committed evil. I make no apology for the terrorists. And whatever legitimate grievances they have against U.S. policies and actions (and there are many, to be sure), none of our actions and policies can be a justification for slaying thousands, hundreds...or even dozens of civilians...men, women and children. None of them. But at the same time, I wish for no one...as these men most probably are destined...to go to eternal damnation. Sadly, they most likely will...after being judged by men here on earth and then judged again after death. That grieves me...as it also grieves me that Satan himself will go down fighting God to end (and be damned forever) rather than submit and ask forgiveness. Can I feel anger? Yes. Can I feel sorrow? Yes. But there is sometimes a fine line between those feelings and hate. I judge no one for feeling hatred toward the enemy. I condemn no one for it. That's not my place. But I urge people who might be feeling hate...if anyone here is (and perhaps no one is feeling that particular emotion)...that now is not the time for hate. It is a time for mourning, and time to evaluate our own lives. Those of use still living should be using this time to re-examine thoroughly our motives, our actions, and our priorities in life...both temporal and spiritual. My 2% of a dollar, for whatever it is worth. God bless us all. ------------------ - JEFF "A hero is no braver than anyone else. He is only brave five minutes longer." Visit my mod site at www.planetdiablo.com/sanctuary
[This message has been edited by jbouley (edited 14 September 2001).]

|
l@st 1 WarLord
  
Posts: 236 From: Aust. WA Registered: Sep 2001 |
posted 20 September 2001 09:10
I have a simple concept:Anyone who kills someone because they enjoy it, anyone who raise follows to believe that any country should be attacked and then call themself a religous group. Does not deserve to live. I think what he does, classes him as phycotic. phyco, and totally stupid. Same for the masses of ppl that burned that "doll" of a US citizen, they have no sense. However, I respect your believes, and thoughts. (posted above this). But he is absolutly a phyco, and all his follows are also, aswell as totally wrong, same with anyone that kills, or believes in killing. To think like they do, make them all of the above, and more. I am normal, I do not, nor would I ever, start thinking like that out of normal minded state. Nor would anyone else thats 'human'. ------------------ Trust Me = it takes a lifetime to find where U belong, and two lifetimes to find your Soulmate, but, I do not have a Lifetime or 2 of time on my hands....

|
Starwolf Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 535 From: Burton, Ohio Registered: May 2001 |
posted 29 September 2001 16:18
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_410936.html?menu=news.latestheadlinesNow ain't this interesting? Kind of reminds you of Hitler, doesn't he? ------------------ You're good, but I'm better!

|