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wolfwing
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posted 11 June 2001 06:19     Click Here to See the Profile for wolfwing   Click Here to Email wolfwing        Reply w/Quote   
Something I'm finding interesting is how much more politer people tend to be on this board then the average expansion. Both are simular in their topics as this board is for giving critisim, complaints or suggestion or just plain old praise for a mod you like. Here 98% of the time someone has a good point and talks are brought up and suggestions are made on how to make the mods better. Rarly does it get turned into name calling and such.

But on the other hand just about every board I've been to including Blizzards own board any time someone makes the slightest complaint or even suggestion on how to make a class or feature better the place gets into such a uproar you think he just walked into a cathlic church and called the pope a ***** or something. It always ends up with name calling, people judging people entirly on their punctuation/spelling/iq. Even the most legit posts are bashed and half the people don't read posts as was proven when someone praised the expansion but made his post sound like a complaint, no one even read his post just went straight into the name calling making fools out of them selves. there is never any legitamate talks or discusions about the expansion as everyones to busy bashing each other for having a opinion.

I guesse my point is also kinda a question, why is this board so different when it's about the same thing. Playing a version of our favorite game and making suggestions on how to make it better. Or just asking for tips or wanting to help out in something. I'm glad I found here and it be nice if this was where Blizzard was making their expansion not some where were all these people that whine about whiners or call someone a idiot cause he thinks his favorite class is to weak now.

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Perfect Cell
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posted 11 June 2001 11:19     Click Here to See the Profile for Perfect Cell   Click Here to Email Perfect Cell        Reply w/Quote   Visit Perfect Cell's Homepage!
I think the reason these boards differ so greatly from other boards is because all of the people who play mods and take the time to register for these boards enjoy the game enough that they're willing to play mods, despite any flaws. Most of you also realise that mods are always a work in progress--they're never really 'complete' because new mod developments happen so frequently.

Of course, there are the occassional flames from people similar to those you've mentioned; the one's who'll say "Fix this bug, this is a stupid feature, change this, change that" or something along those lines. The reason they don't dominate the boards is because they're either ignored, or replied to politely.

Another thing that goes a long way is that the mod creators take the time to reply. Since we (modmakers) aren't anywhere near as busy as the people over at Blizzard, when we reply to posts, it satisfies most people who feel the urge to flame us. A lot of people on these boards are from other countries, so there's no need to make criticisms of grammar. That is, unless you want to make an @ss of yourself; since so many users here are foreign, you'd be bound to upset or offend somebody.

Lastly, I'd have to say it's because of the staff. Even when dealing with the evilist (is that a word? ) of people, the moderators have enough patience to reply to them in a kind/orderly manner. I'm betting if Blizzard had one employee who had the time to monitor the boards and reply to the vast amount of flames, their ugly post count would go down considerably.

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Warriorlegends
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posted 11 June 2001 12:30     Click Here to See the Profile for Warriorlegends   Click Here to Email Warriorlegends        Reply w/Quote   Visit Warriorlegends's Homepage!
I completely agree with you both, almost everyone I know here is a nice person, and aren't flamers. I've never seen anybody flame a mod (mayby it's because I don't spent very much time on mod-specific forums? ). Alright, give comments on a mod, but I'm sure no one points out things that are less good because they think it's fun to annoy people with it. The less parts are pointed out allowing the modder to improve his mod, and make it more fun to play. What if Blizzard employee's would check the Phrozenkeep once in a while, atleast they would know what people want for cganges to D2, because ther are normal discussions about the game here.

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Mephansteras
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posted 11 June 2001 14:37     Click Here to See the Profile for Mephansteras   Click Here to Email Mephansteras        Reply w/Quote   Visit Mephansteras's Homepage!
I think another reason is that since everyone here either makes or plays mods, everyone's already been forced to realize that there are problems, or at least different opinions on how the game should play. And instead of saying "I don't like this, these people suck!", you get things like "Hmm...I don't like that as much. Hey, Fusman, how long 'til you get *whatever* modded?". It helps that we CAN change a lot of things to our likeing. We also seem to get those rabid purists who defend their ideas just because it was thiers. We all like the game enough to spend time making changes, or playing changed versions. And if someone doesn't like how a mod plays, they can play another, or just make thier own.

I think it helps that most of us also enjoy trying new things and finding things. Most of us are probably at least partly explorers, and it's the new stuff that excites us. The really competitive people are more interested in winning, and generally more interested in the types of things that we DON'T do, like cheats. Heh, usually the biggest complaint here is that it's not challanging enough, not "I want to play GOD so I can kill everyone!"

Anyway, just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.

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[This message has been edited by Mephansteras (edited 11 June 2001).]

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RexxLaww
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posted 11 June 2001 22:16     Click Here to See the Profile for RexxLaww   Click Here to Email RexxLaww        Reply w/Quote   Visit RexxLaww's Homepage!
And I would be willing to put a few dollars on the fact that Blizzard programmers DO visit this board and gander a bit.

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jbouley
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posted 11 June 2001 22:56     Click Here to See the Profile for jbouley   Click Here to Email jbouley        Reply w/Quote   Visit jbouley's Homepage!
I've heard rumors to that effect...don't know how often they hit the site or who's visiting, but I think someone at Blizzard visits here...I would imagine they would especially want to peek in since we became part of GameSpy/Planet Diablo (aka "hit the big time"). Hope we've given them some good ideas.

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Tontus314
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posted 12 June 2001 06:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Tontus314   Click Here to Email Tontus314        Reply w/Quote   Visit Tontus314's Homepage!
I like to think that Blizzard uses us for inspiration, even if it's not true.

Take gems for example. Almost every mod makes gems more useful, through upgraded powers, or more sockets on items. Look what Blizzard is doing in the expansion. More powerful gems, more sockets on items, and even socketed rares/sets/uniques.

Also, the fact that there is virtually no limit anymore on sets and uniques, as well as modable cube recipes, shows that Blizzard either has modders in mind, or they realized that it would be easier for them as well. (I think that may have been the longest sentence I've ever typed)

As for the "niceness" of people here, I think it has a lot to do with the relatively small amount of users. We (atleast I do) recognize a great deal of the posters. With recognition comes respect.

Or maybe its just the fact that modders and mod users are just vastly superior to the "common" person.

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RexxLaww
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posted 13 June 2001 17:35     Click Here to See the Profile for RexxLaww   Click Here to Email RexxLaww        Reply w/Quote   Visit RexxLaww's Homepage!
I wouldnt use the word 'superior'. Thats a sure way to start a flame fest.

I think users here are a bit different for a lot of reasons. In the UT community, there are a LOT of mod makers out there, and some of them are quite conceited, brash, and have gone so far as to steal other mods ideas. (I know this one from experience). There tends to be large ego's in that community.

In the D2 community, it seems that mod makers want to share ideas, help others, and generally promote their mods through good design and civility. Its quite refreshing to deal with it, and its one of the reasons that I have devoted yet another slice of my VBT (Valuable Beach Time) towards doing mods for D2.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Blizzard has not made modding easy. Not nearly as easy as UT/Quake/Tribes etc... They tend to guard their information closely, something in the UT community that doesnt exist. You can go to the Epic website and find out every thing you need to know about writing Unreal Script. If only Blizzard were to do that...

Of course if they did, the D2 mod community would explode and then, then I think the attitudes and helpfullness of the people would start to change.

Its a wonderful place to be right now, and the XP will only make it better.

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