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ShadowTalon
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posted 15 May 2002 03:35     Click Here to See the Profile for ShadowTalon   Click Here to Email ShadowTalon        Reply w/Quote   Visit ShadowTalon's Homepage!
If you wanna check out the article i have previously talked about go to my site - www.infotainment.n3.net go to the dedicated diablo 2 section to find it zipped up there


has the magazines opinion on other mods too ... not very nice if u ask me

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I once believed.
Others looked to me for strength, for my faith was a pillar in the house of the Elders. I once believed in something greater than myself; I believed that the faithful would be rewarded and the evil would be punished.

I believed the Prophecies of the Final Day to be mere superstitions-and that even if they had any credence at all, as our ancestors believed, the events they spoke of would never come to fruition in out time

I was a fool.

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Brother Laz
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posted 15 May 2002 03:56     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Laz   Click Here to Email Brother Laz        Reply w/Quote   
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There are many ways, my son,
to find where the souls of Modders remain
But it takes only one second of despair and of doubt
until at last, your soul, they will gain...
-D1 manual

[This message has been edited by Brother Laz (edited 15 May 2002).]

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ShadowTalon
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posted 15 May 2002 04:00     Click Here to See the Profile for ShadowTalon   Click Here to Email ShadowTalon        Reply w/Quote   Visit ShadowTalon's Homepage!
go to the site .. in the news section theres a link to diablo 2 site

from there u can go to downloads or click on the link in that news section

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I once believed.
Others looked to me for strength, for my faith was a pillar in the house of the Elders. I once believed in something greater than myself; I believed that the faithful would be rewarded and the evil would be punished.

I believed the Prophecies of the Final Day to be mere superstitions-and that even if they had any credence at all, as our ancestors believed, the events they spoke of would never come to fruition in out time

I was a fool.

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spin
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posted 15 May 2002 05:19     Click Here to See the Profile for spin   Click Here to Email spin        Reply w/Quote   Visit spin's Homepage!
you might wanna add "downloads/" to all the links in the download section on your site

the link in the news section did work

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Incandescent One
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posted 15 May 2002 06:50     Click Here to See the Profile for Incandescent One   Click Here to Email Incandescent One        Reply w/Quote   Visit Incandescent One's Homepage!
Hmmm i see what you mean about the article... Quote "The problem with the vast majority of the mods is that they're pretty amateurish and don't do anything that exciting...."
It would probably be a fair comment if people were paying out money for these mods, and also a fair comment if people making the mods had a team of professional (and probably overpayed) staff to do all the coding, art and other features
I hope nobody is disheartened by that article, mod making is about making the game exactly how you wish it to be, not about whether you're going to top the PC charts this summer!
It's nice to see the BG team's hard work getting some recognition though, just a shame about the first few comments, next time they should hire Jeff to do the article

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Incandescence

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Khan
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posted 15 May 2002 07:26     Click Here to See the Profile for Khan   Click Here to Email Khan        Reply w/Quote   Visit Khan's Homepage!
Well you must admit that there are many mods that have a rather amateurish look to it. And also I guess we are still suffering from people (and reviewers are people too) not seeing the difference between a total conversion mod and those mod plugins or cheat mods like the 64player mod, the alwaysbetteritemsrop mod, the givemethisandthat mod etc.

I wouldn't exactly call these "amateurish" but rather contentless and not worth to be called mods.

Also reviewers tend to measure mods diffent since Counterstrike...

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www.Planetdiablo.com/VKmods

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Brother Laz
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posted 15 May 2002 07:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Laz   Click Here to Email Brother Laz        Reply w/Quote   
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Originally posted by Khan:
Well you must admit that there are many mods that have a rather amateurish look to it.

Yeah and yours will be the first target...

I mean, you don't even have new backgrounds!!! Amateur!

This reviewer is praising 'the increase of Multishot and Strafe' (any 3 year old can do that) and says really nothing about game balance...

(Which reminds me: should I send to that mag some screenshots of my megademon casting Immolation or a cantor with Frozen Crown, blind the reviewer with the pretty graphics, gain worldwide fame even though many skills are majorly screwed right now... Rivers of Flame counts as 25 hits per second... can you say 'hit-skill'? I bet he would rank mine higher even though the BGmod is better quality-wise at this moment)

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There are many ways, my son,
to find where the souls of Modders remain
But it takes only one second of despair and of doubt
until at last, your soul, they will gain...
-D1 manual

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FoxBat
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posted 15 May 2002 08:48     Click Here to See the Profile for FoxBat   Click Here to Email FoxBat        Reply w/Quote   
Well, honestly compared to something like Q3, the mods can seem amatuer. And that's simply because it's alot easier to do basic modding in D2 than it is in Q3. You don't need some dedicated team of 8 people to produce a grand result. Heck when you see my mod released it will at first look like I've done nothing much at all, talk about amateur!

So, D2 modding is more accessible, so there are naturally more mods out there than for Q3. Some people have half the time to waste like the Q3 modders and produce some neat stuff, but someone can just spend a few days and produce a mod as well. Maybe this three-day mod is not an earthshaking improvement so it wouldn't get stuck on a game-mag CD, but just about any small improvement could help D2 out so it's still worth doing.

But, there's no need to take the reviewers comment too seriously. As cool as BG mod is, I don't see how it totally blows e.g. ES out of the water such that the two can't even be compared. The guy doesn't know much of what he is talking about

[This message has been edited by FoxBat (edited 15 May 2002).]

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SiLenTx
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posted 15 May 2002 08:50     Click Here to See the Profile for SiLenTx   Click Here to Email SiLenTx        Reply w/Quote   Visit SiLenTx's Homepage!
I think this topic will be much better in the General Diablo 2 Discussion

about the review, hmmm... BGmod is a great mod and theres no question about it... Being a mod maker, am I offended with the article content? the answer is NO!... I don't care what other people think about my mod... As long as the end result is whats in my mind and what I've been hoping for the D2 game to have... People has different comments, opinions (talked about judging a food by looking at it and not by tasting it) and principles... That was his article so we have nothing to say about it and why one of the comments above are correct, we mod makers create our mods for our own fun and the fun of those D2 players, we do not earn money from it but new friends and the respect that came along with it... For me, I dont make mods to earn Fame, I make them to create some excitement and to do the things that interest me most and I can call it as my own masterpiece whenever I want to, so Im not offended with that article... Its like this, when ur being criticized means their paying attention at your work. So comments are good...as what they say, there are two types of people you'll meet in your lifetime (1) your friends who will be there for you no matter what (2) your criticizers, who will push you to your limits and in the end bring out the best in you...

So keep those coming....we mod makers are waiting with open eyes and open arms ...


Cheer up!

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Brother Laz
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posted 15 May 2002 09:07     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Laz   Click Here to Email Brother Laz        Reply w/Quote   
Not only is it too easy for babies to create their 1337 mod with (gasp) The New Frozen Teeth Skill, but it is also very hard to do the advanced stuff.

I'm pretty sure that FoxBat's mod will have all the bugs fixed and the timers removed to make the sorc fun again, and the LoD-sucks-because-it-only-has-2-new-classes game mag writers won't see those changes and won't care either because Unreal 2 has much better Gee Force Four Turbo Accelerated Graphics.

BTW: if you want to know which mod is 'the best' according to the players, check out the ratings at http://www.modsinternational.com/files/pafiledb.php?action=category&id=7 ...

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There are many ways, my son,
to find where the souls of Modders remain
But it takes only one second of despair and of doubt
until at last, your soul, they will gain...
-D1 manual

[This message has been edited by Brother Laz (edited 15 May 2002).]

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Massimo84web
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posted 16 May 2002 15:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Massimo84web   Click Here to Email Massimo84web        Reply w/Quote   Visit Massimo84web's Homepage!
This is a common discussion
people who value a thing usually don't know the hard work and the difficult to do it

For example times ago I did some Duke Nukem 3d maps well work with build engine is pretty hard and I work more than 3 mounths for doing a map but when it had rewived I had a hard critic becouse it was too short and some other things.Well I don't like these! Instead some level maker congraturate me for the hard work becouse they really knowed the time and the ard work of do it

If you have Duke Nukem 3d tell me and I will send yu my best map

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Brother Laz
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posted 17 May 2002 00:41     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Laz   Click Here to Email Brother Laz        Reply w/Quote   
I once did a Monster Truck Madness track. I've had a major review site give it a 2/10 because the AI could not get out of a certain ravine after the reviewer pushed them in.

:sigh:

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There are many ways, my son,
to find where the souls of Modders remain
But it takes only one second of despair and of doubt
until at last, your soul, they will gain...
-D1 manual

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Khan
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posted 17 May 2002 06:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Khan   Click Here to Email Khan        Reply w/Quote   Visit Khan's Homepage!
hehe let's not be too harsh with reviewers. I guess they simply don't have the time to test mods for a game like Diablo which is not commonly known as a moddable game (unlike every shooter is nowadays thought to be highly moddable, even if you only change some weapons gfx...). Those guys probably only had a glance at the mods out there and when they didn't see any major (graphical) changes instantly they thought "bah, how amateurish". With the BG mod they probably saw new inventory gfx and the like right away.

The difference between D2 modding and most other games modding is that in D2 you mostly change the game mechanics (properties of skills, items, monsters) and not the gfx, while in shooters the whole look gets changed while the gameplay might still be the same (might or might not).

We are not commonly known as a modding community and therefore we should be glad of every attention we get

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www.Planetdiablo.com/VKmods

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Massimo84web
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posted 17 May 2002 15:07     Click Here to See the Profile for Massimo84web   Click Here to Email Massimo84web        Reply w/Quote   Visit Massimo84web's Homepage!
yes now all the new shooter are a piece of cake to modding
With Duke Nukem 3d it was more hard why most of things were did with Ms dos edit and in some part also hex editing(for example changing monster directions or what they shoot)
New shooters are not good they only have good grafics I think the best ever i s Duke nukem 3d for gameplay and also the mod Fusion for it (the creator of it is a genius!!) and in hird place the first Quake(only that game give you the sensation right)(I can't explain but if you had played it you know)The new ones instead....
Only good in grafics

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RicFaith
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posted 17 May 2002 16:26     Click Here to See the Profile for RicFaith   Click Here to Email RicFaith        Reply w/Quote   Visit RicFaith's Homepage!
well just my .02 on it. I agree that the reviewers probably didn't play the game coz everything they said there was listed on the old webpage (ages ago). Reviewers, being human, will have their bias and prejudice. Especially when stuff like Counterstrike and Day of Defeat fall into this category called mods. Some games are extremely moddable, some moderately so, and some horribly impossible.

I'm very glad for the nice things said but as much as I am proud of the BGmod and our efforts, I am equally, if not much more, in awe of the efforts of those before me and those who have done much more than I have.

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2B or not 2B, it all depends on your preference of pencil.

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jbouley
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posted 20 May 2002 08:58     Click Here to See the Profile for jbouley   Click Here to Email jbouley        Reply w/Quote   Visit jbouley's Homepage!
I think I will move this to general discussion...good comments, but probably better suited to that forum.

BTW, thanks for the vote of confidence, Incandescent One. I need all the work I can get now than I'm full-time freelance...I wish some gaming folks would throw a writing assignment (paid, of course) my way.

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- JEFF
"A hero is no braver than anyone else. He is only brave five minutes longer."
For my latest mod (for LoD/expansion), download Version 1.03 of Sanctuary in Chaos

- Or for old stuff (for classic D2), visit my orignal mod site at www.planetdiablo.com/sanctuary

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