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Brother Laz
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posted 30 December 2001 13:44     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Laz   Click Here to Email Brother Laz        Reply w/Quote   
I recall this experiment where someone replaced the barb anims with the goatman anims;

'you can stand and walk around and be a goat man'

so how does it work? I've had the crazy idea to replace all characters with D1 monsters (darkmage, balrog, etc.)

But characters have all those various anims, and AFAIK there's no way to DELETE animations. Any help?

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NefariusDX
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posted 30 December 2001 15:41     Click Here to See the Profile for NefariusDX   Click Here to Email NefariusDX        Reply w/Quote   Visit NefariusDX's Homepage!
simple 2 much work every char is made out of about 10 folders each divided into about 20 stats each of thes divided for every weapon and each for every armor etc you end up with about 10000 .dcc files per char, replace monsters with chars is easy if you replace the parts right for like skeletons

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jbouley
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posted 31 December 2001 09:58     Click Here to See the Profile for jbouley   Click Here to Email jbouley        Reply w/Quote   Visit jbouley's Homepage!
The biggest problem, Brother Laz...aside from the sheer number of files you need to replace...is that no monster will have all the weapon and armor graphics you need for characters. So unless you created a mod where all armor is invisible and so are weapons...or your monster character has stats might enough to fight naked and barehanded...it would be a little odd.

Not impossible, but it would be a challenge. If you're up to it, go for it...I wish you luck if you do.

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Zifnab1
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posted 01 January 2002 23:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Zifnab1   Click Here to Email Zifnab1        Reply w/Quote   Visit Zifnab1's Homepage!
The other thing you need to worry about is the # of directions. Monsters are 8 directions, players are 16. I changed the Necro into a skeleton, and it almost worked 100%. The skeleton has the same number of armor settings as players, but a lot less weapons (it also has bows and shields which is a plus). It would crash every now and then if I attacked in a certain direction.

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NefariusDX
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posted 01 January 2002 23:31     Click Here to See the Profile for NefariusDX   Click Here to Email NefariusDX        Reply w/Quote   Visit NefariusDX's Homepage!
to fix the frame count edit the file and add some frames twice

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Brother Laz
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posted 02 January 2002 07:20     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Laz   Click Here to Email Brother Laz        Reply w/Quote   
Items don't bother me, most everything that can be used as a weapon is class-specific.

I think I'll just replace everything by transparent one pixel 'animations', except one (and that one will contain the entire graphic). If I make attack and cast use the same anim, and set all armor looks to 0 for everything, I only need to do: 16 directions for walking, standing still, cast/attack, getting hit and dying. 16*5=80 animations. Easy.

I have already taken my pick. It'll be lots of work, but I think I can do it (I hope... )

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Apocalypse Demon
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posted 02 January 2002 07:22     Click Here to See the Profile for Apocalypse Demon   Click Here to Email Apocalypse Demon        Reply w/Quote   
Yeah, good luck man but expect alot of failure and crashes.

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Brother Laz
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posted 02 January 2002 07:50     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Laz   Click Here to Email Brother Laz        Reply w/Quote   
Why? It's just a matter of replacing one graphic (torso, probably) by the entire monster, and all others by empty graphics. Doesn't sound that much harder than ordinary monster editing does it?

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NefariusDX
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posted 02 January 2002 10:11     Click Here to See the Profile for NefariusDX   Click Here to Email NefariusDX        Reply w/Quote   Visit NefariusDX's Homepage!
im making something similar just lower scale, changing the rogue hirelings in act1 to zons the process is close to identical

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Avanent
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posted 02 January 2002 14:10     Click Here to See the Profile for Avanent        Reply w/Quote   
you shoudl start by first changing the summons, shoudltnt be to hard, then take the next level, the druids shapeshifts, after that try the hireables. If that is to hard then dont go farther.

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