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Chineseman
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posted 25 March 2002 02:29     Click Here to See the Profile for Chineseman   Click Here to Email Chineseman        Reply w/Quote   
I can't copy the Valkyie to other monsters, i.e. DarkLancer row. When I do the gfx won't show, just its light radius. When I kill it, I only see the death animation.

I extracted every other .dcc for the VK monster, and there weren'y any animations except for the death sequence.

I'm guessing the Valkyrie is copying anims from the Amazon? Is this correct? Has anyone accomplished this?


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FoxBat
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posted 25 March 2002 06:47     Click Here to See the Profile for FoxBat   Click Here to Email FoxBat        Reply w/Quote   
Yes the Valk is using mostly Amazon gfx, and that's why you can't move her graphic around.

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Chineseman
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posted 01 April 2002 21:53     Click Here to See the Profile for Chineseman   Click Here to Email Chineseman        Reply w/Quote   
Dam. Oh well...

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Dragon Warrior
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posted 02 April 2002 03:28     Click Here to See the Profile for Dragon Warrior   Click Here to Email Dragon Warrior        Reply w/Quote   
Is that the reason? I suppose thats why the Assassin's clones don't work either. But, if you were so bold, couldn't you throw some of the peices (arms, legs, torso, etc)together as a one piece animation and then just convert?

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Chineseman
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posted 02 April 2002 04:45     Click Here to See the Profile for Chineseman   Click Here to Email Chineseman        Reply w/Quote   
Yes, I have thought of that one, but it would be a waste. Remember that the Dopplezon monster also has the token VK for Valkyrie. So, if you change this, the doppleganger skill would be useless. Unless of course you would remove the skill as well.

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FoxBat
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posted 02 April 2002 14:00     Click Here to See the Profile for FoxBat   Click Here to Email FoxBat        Reply w/Quote   
Not necessarily... notice the dopplezon doesen't even use the golden aura. It might be, but it might not. I'd try it out before saying anything certain.

One thing that should be determined is whether the funny hardcoding is related to the key itself, or to the specific monstats.txt row.

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Myhrginoc
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posted 02 April 2002 18:07     Click Here to See the Profile for Myhrginoc   Click Here to Email Myhrginoc        Reply w/Quote   
The valkyrie glow is probably an overlay. There is a DCC file with that name in the overlays directory.

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Dragon Warrior
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posted 02 April 2002 22:04     Click Here to See the Profile for Dragon Warrior   Click Here to Email Dragon Warrior        Reply w/Quote   
Yes, its an overlay because I gave it to the assassin as an overlay for her quickness skill, but it looked tacky so I nixed it.

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Chineseman
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posted 04 April 2002 01:39     Click Here to See the Profile for Chineseman   Click Here to Email Chineseman        Reply w/Quote   
So I guess there's still hope in changing the Valkyrie to a monster? Let me know if you were able to do anything about it, FoxBat.

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Dragon Warrior
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posted 06 April 2002 23:04     Click Here to See the Profile for Dragon Warrior   Click Here to Email Dragon Warrior        Reply w/Quote   
Yes, it is possible. I've been using Gamani to put together an assassin clone, 1 piece. The "blend with" option works great, only problem is that the animations have multiple directions as you know, so while it looks fine in the first direction, its all screwed in the second or third, etc. The only remedy for this that I have been able to find so far is 'One Direction At A Time' doing it this way will take a VERY VERY long time. Does anyone in the monster conversion industry know of a better way?

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Darkblade
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posted 07 April 2002 13:06     Click Here to See the Profile for Darkblade   Click Here to Email Darkblade        Reply w/Quote   
i remember trying that as well and doing one direction at a time didnt help either... i actually had to do one frame at a time and eventually got bored and quited

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Apocalypse Demon
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posted 07 April 2002 13:14     Click Here to See the Profile for Apocalypse Demon   Click Here to Email Apocalypse Demon        Reply w/Quote   
"i remember trying that as well and doing one direction at a time didnt help either... i actually had to do one frame at a time and eventually got bored and quited"

Why not? Not sure what you're doing but for god's sake, don't do it one frame at a time, you're not going to get anywhere with that.

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Chineseman
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posted 09 April 2002 02:14     Click Here to See the Profile for Chineseman   Click Here to Email Chineseman        Reply w/Quote   
So I guess you have to pick only 8 or 16 directions? It is painfully hard if you're going to do it piece-by-piece.

Haven't tried Gimani yet, although I already downloaded the damn thing.

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Dragon Warrior
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posted 09 April 2002 02:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Dragon Warrior   Click Here to Email Dragon Warrior        Reply w/Quote   
Well, once you get going you can get one animation done (all 8 directions, all pieces) in about 1 1/2 hours, give or take, much less if you magically get the blending right on the first try every time.

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Chineseman
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posted 10 April 2002 02:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Chineseman   Click Here to Email Chineseman        Reply w/Quote   
Thanks for the tip, Dragon Warrior.

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Darkblade
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posted 12 April 2002 13:44     Click Here to See the Profile for Darkblade   Click Here to Email Darkblade        Reply w/Quote   
" Not sure what you're doing but for god's sake, don't do it one frame at a time, you're not going to get anywhere with that. ".

Well i thought it would be funny if i made an "Abommination of Nature" with a different monster for each part. i wasn't really taking it seriously anyway otherwise i would've finished it. my prob was that puting all the stuff together didn't work well for all the frames EVEN the ones of the same directions and so ,as i said, i quited

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