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Topic: Item drops: help needed
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NefariusDX Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 1392 From: The Hadal Abyss of Eternal Oblivion Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 05 January 2002 20:49
i know mf is nerfed general what i ment is that there might be another forumla for act bosses only------------------ Nefarius' Secondary Mod Site Nefarius' Primary Mod Site ------------------ XyRAX v21.00 Comming Soon! ------------------ NëƒarIu§ ÖƒƒiçláL [V]oÞÞ¦hg §¡Nce D2C V1.02!!! quote: Gaze into the Oblivion within yourself and you shall become your greatest fears. The escence of leeching is to request before you try

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Apocalypse Demon Moderator
   
Posts: 4023 From: Mississauga, Ontario Registered: Oct 2001 |
posted 05 January 2002 20:56
There isn't. The expirement of putting 1000% mf on your character and seeing them not drop as uniques much is because past a certain point, the mf% increase for uniques and sets seems to decrease. But no, there isn't another formula(or Jarulf would have announced it already).------------------ God gave me a brain to use but I miserably failed to use it to my advantage

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Watcher WarLord
  
Posts: 196 From: Who cares anyway? Registered: Oct 2001 |
posted 06 January 2002 00:32
Ahhh, now I know what you're doing wrong. You're forgetting to include the .bin files. Here's what to do: First off, extract the files from patch_d2.mpq, not d2exp.mpq. The files in d2exp may be outdated. Second, when you're done editing, put your modded txt files in the directory C:\Program Files\Diablo II\data\global\excel (assuming you have D2 installed in C:\Program Files\Diablo II, otherwise substitute the correct path). Third, right click your D2 shortcut, select Properties, select the Shortcut tab. Add -direct -txt to the Target line (outside the quotes). Now run D2 using this shortcut. D2 will 1) Run using your modded txt files 2) Generate .bin files corresponding to the txt files in the data\global\excel subdirectory. Now add your modded txts and their corresponding bins to patch_d2.mpq (always patch_d2.mpq, as it's the first archive checked for files).Hope this helps. Watcher ------------------ To fail is human. Complete breakdown requires a computer.

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NefariusDX Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 1392 From: The Hadal Abyss of Eternal Oblivion Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 06 January 2002 03:00
apocalypse read my posts again i spoke abour RARES i said there were uniques in them as well------------------ Nefarius' Secondary Mod Site Nefarius' Primary Mod Site ------------------ XyRAX v21.00 Comming Soon! ------------------ NëƒarIu§ ÖƒƒiçláL [V]oÞÞ¦hg §¡Nce D2C V1.02!!! quote: Gaze into the Oblivion within yourself and you shall become your greatest fears. The escence of leeching is to request before you try

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Axalon Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 2243 From: New England, USA Registered: Dec 2001 |
posted 06 January 2002 04:41
Oh, man ... this thread is hilarius ... I'm falling out of my seat laughing ... Nefarius & Apocylpse ... your killing me ... what ever happened to that poor guy 'Chiller' ... you left chiller out in the cold ... if I could help him, I would ... but this thread is a classic ... I'm sorry, I know your both serious ... but to view this whole tread is just too funny ... I hope you resolve your debate ... and I hope chiller solves his problem ... lol ....------------------ "To dream a life, or to live a dream ... only through desire shall the sleeper awaken."

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Apocalypse Demon Moderator
   
Posts: 4023 From: Mississauga, Ontario Registered: Oct 2001 |
posted 06 January 2002 10:44
"apocalypse read my posts again i spoke abour RARES i said there were uniques in them as well"I don't understand what you are saying here...anyways, Chiller I'm VERY sorry for going offtopic. I believe Watcher is right(maybe?), did you even pack in the bins? If not, nothing will work... ------------------ God gave me a brain to use but I miserably failed to use it to my advantage

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Chiller Serf
Posts: 9 From: Bucharest,Romania Registered: Jan 2002 |
posted 07 January 2002 00:11
Thank U Very Much. It works. Now you may go back off-topic (say, the mf debate was actually interesting)-Chiller

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NefariusDX Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 1392 From: The Hadal Abyss of Eternal Oblivion Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 00:37
yeah and its not yet over (ohh boy here we go again) lets start this with a simple table to explain what i mean:CD2 ACT BOSSES: drop rares/uniques ONLY for quest reward once, not effected by mf mo matter how high (set to 8388607% on v1.06 all monsters even quill rats dropped rares/uniques act bosses drop blue sh*t) D2X ACT BOSSES: drop rares/uniques as base drops thru treasureclassex.txt chance dosent seam to be effected by mf or mf is nerfed even more then normal on act bosses in addition to the regular nerf does this make clear what i ment before? ------------------ Nefarius' Secondary Mod Site Nefarius' Primary Mod Site ------------------ XyRAX v21.00 Comming Soon! ------------------ NëƒarIu§ ÖƒƒiçláL [V]oÞÞ¦hg §¡Nce D2C V1.02!!! quote: Gaze into the Oblivion within yourself and you shall become your greatest fears. The escence of leeching is to request before you try

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Apocalypse Demon Moderator
   
Posts: 4023 From: Mississauga, Ontario Registered: Oct 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 00:43
"D2X ACT BOSSES: drop rares/uniques as base drops thru treasureclassex.txt chance dosent seam to be effected by mf or mf is nerfed even more then normal on act bosses in addition to the regular nerf"This is completely false, 50 runs doesn't tell you anything I'm afraid. When referring to probability and randomness, 50 runs means nothing. You cannot conclude that with 50 runs, that is all. It has already been proven that mf is not nerfed more for act bosses nor does it not affect act bosses. Just because you might get a bad drop once or twice is just a bad roll or statistics, it doesn't mean anything. Jarulf has already confirmed how mf works for bosses, superuniques, champs, etc and it's all the same. Believe me Nefarius...we don't want to start a flamewar  ------------------ God gave me a brain to use but I miserably failed to use it to my advantage

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NefariusDX Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 1392 From: The Hadal Abyss of Eternal Oblivion Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 01:03
yeah we need to stop this NOW, neather of us will give up on this one since both sides have enough evidence that their oppinion is right better to stop this before we start the next flame armageddon like i started on hacklist once wile i was a mod there------------------ Nefarius' Secondary Mod Site Nefarius' Primary Mod Site ------------------ XyRAX v21.00 Comming Soon! ------------------ NëƒarIu§ ÖƒƒiçláL [V]oÞÞ¦hg §¡Nce D2C V1.02!!! quote: Gaze into the Oblivion within yourself and you shall become your greatest fears. The escence of leeching is to request before you try

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Apocalypse Demon Moderator
   
Posts: 4023 From: Mississauga, Ontario Registered: Oct 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 09:25
But Nefarius, how can a couple of runs prove anything when there are obvious proof in the files. It's probability and randomness, a couple of runs proves nothing at all.------------------ God gave me a brain to use but I miserably failed to use it to my advantage

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NefariusDX Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 1392 From: The Hadal Abyss of Eternal Oblivion Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 09:32
a couple? i said more then 50 in that post if i havent thats about many more runs, and in fact i made zod give 250% mf on single player had a 4 sockted helm 6 sockted armor/shield/weapon 4 sokcted gloves/boots and 2 sockted belt and RINGs/amus full of them since u cant make mf alone be 8388607 but it does stack above 511% if u put it on runes well bosses still dropped blues under their rare/uniques wile EVERYTHING else dropped only rares/uniques (except charms that is) so what i think is simple, the .dlls might contain a bunch of unused code ppl can look at that code but never know that even if the game reads from that lines if the code is used to what i know the game still reads of the code that was supposed to implent guild halls just this code has no function since the pre alpha so what i basicly say is that the fact stuff is in there dosent mean it is used, what i think is that mabye partiall drops are effected by mf BUT NOT the quest drop that makes them drop the unique/rare/sets/blues since bosses drop up to 7 items mostly 1-3 of them are gold ther est is blue the fact is that the blue ones are your quest drop which also turned blue in cd2 and was NEVER effected by MF (thought in cd2 the bosses only dropped a quest drop which was 99% of the time blue after you kill em first time) now i think the uniques that MIGHT appear thru mf are the additional drops wile the main drop is NOT effected since its the quest drop which only gets better quality thru amount of players in game------------------ Nefarius' Secondary Mod Site Nefarius' Primary Mod Site ------------------ XyRAX v21.00 Comming Soon! ------------------ NëƒarIu§ ÖƒƒiçláL [V]oÞÞ¦hg §¡Nce D2C V1.02!!! quote: Gaze into the Oblivion within yourself and you shall become your greatest fears. The escence of leeching is to request before you try

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Apocalypse Demon Moderator
   
Posts: 4023 From: Mississauga, Ontario Registered: Oct 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 13:38
LOL, I'll say it again. The difference for unique mf when having 500 mf or 1500 mf is only a difference of 40% or so. Like I said, as you get more mf, the chance to get uniques and sets increases at a smaller rate which is diminishing returns. Nefarius, please. 50 runs means nothing, it's probability and random. And just because you found nothing good out of those 50 runs doesn't mean you have to speak for the rest of the people on battlenet which find many good stuff with more mf on Act bosses. My results contradict yours and it has already been proven. Come on Nefarius, no need to argue with the obvious, a few 50 runs means nothing when everyone else on battlenet sees otherwise. You just got bad luck. It's hard to notice any difference until you do 10000 runs. How about this, do 10000 mephisto runs each with different amount of mf and tell us your results. Then we *might* consider them...also, more players in the game doesn't increase the quality of drops, only the "no drop" probability is dropped therefore making them drop more frequently from their maximum pics(which is 6).------------------ God gave me a brain to use but I miserably failed to use it to my advantage

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NefariusDX Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 1392 From: The Hadal Abyss of Eternal Oblivion Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 14:15
u obviously didnt read what i said or didnt understood it, a friend with like 500% mf didnt found any thing good/a few things of the same boss in same dif wile i killed them nd got a full unique/rare drop more then a few times this was done many more times and as a result we came to see that no matter how much mf u have the bosses still drop randomly since in compare we both got the same amounts------------------ Nefarius' Secondary Mod Site Nefarius' Primary Mod Site ------------------ XyRAX v21.00 Comming Soon! ------------------ NëƒarIu§ ÖƒƒiçláL [V]oÞÞ¦hg §¡Nce D2C V1.02!!! quote: Gaze into the Oblivion within yourself and you shall become your greatest fears. The escence of leeching is to request before you try

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Apocalypse Demon Moderator
   
Posts: 4023 From: Mississauga, Ontario Registered: Oct 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 14:29
I read what you said and it's WRONG!!!Like I said, 50 runs is nothing and just because you saw it drop like that doesn't mean all of battlenet sees the same thing. They don't, they see that mf does affect act bosses, same with what I have seen. I have tested many times and it does affect Act bosses because my results were opposite of yours. Most of battlenet's results from other people are opposite from yours. It's not guaranteed, that's probability. PLease stop saying I'm wrong Nefarius, it has been proven, Jarulf has also stated it, everyone is getting the expected results including myself and if you want to know for yourself, make a thread and ask: Does mf affect bosses and you will see the obvious answers you will get. If you want to question Jarulf's actual findings in the .dll to back up the results we have been getting from drop from Act bosses, go ahead but you will be disproven easily. Like I said, maybe you did 50 runs and had bad luck, are you saying that all or almost all of the thousands and thousands and millions of runs that are done every day are wrong and your 50 runs are more correct than a million runs that contradict what you are saying?------------------ God gave me a brain to use but I miserably failed to use it to my advantage

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NefariusDX Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 1392 From: The Hadal Abyss of Eternal Oblivion Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 15:05
i just said that both me and the mf ppl get the same result LOL that is what the main point was about and that u can kill bosses with 0% mf and get the same amount of items as with %mf. some one close this tread this leads to no where and i barly can control myself right now since NO ONE SEAMS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I POSTED! every one sez stuff that was not related to what i ment so some one should close this now------------------ Nefarius' Secondary Mod Site Nefarius' Primary Mod Site ------------------ XyRAX v21.00 Comming Soon! ------------------ NëƒarIu§ ÖƒƒiçláL [V]oÞÞ¦hg §¡Nce D2C V1.02!!! quote: Gaze into the Oblivion within yourself and you shall become your greatest fears. The escence of leeching is to request before you try

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Apocalypse Demon Moderator
   
Posts: 4023 From: Mississauga, Ontario Registered: Oct 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 15:15
That's because you are wrong. Nefarius, I noticed that sometimes, you don't like to admit you are wrong. You and your friend do not count as thousands of battlenet players that see the opposite. So, you are saying that my results are faulty, jarulf's information is incorrect and every battlenet player is dillusional or hacked their game so they made mf work on bosses. It works, believe me. Again, I don't like being told I'm wrong multiple times when I know I"m right. Your results with your friends do NOT compare in any way to the results that can be made from thousands and thousands of battlenet players. It has been proven countless times from mf runs(thousands of mf runs) to factual info from Jarulf that mf DOES AFFECT BOSSES! If you don't believe it, atleast don't tell anyone that mf doesn't affect Act bosses because you are basically telling them incorrect info...Wow, first flame war. Nefarius man, like I said, you are wrong and just had badluck, your few mf runs do not compare with the majority of battlenet nor any factual info found in the .dlls.*sigh* ------------------ God gave me a brain to use but I miserably failed to use it to my advantage

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Axalon Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 2243 From: New England, USA Registered: Dec 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 16:27
Wow ... I've been following this thread, and this is really starting to get very intense ... so this is a flame war? Hmmmm ... I never saw one before, but from what I see there is probably no clear winner in a war like this ... it can go on forever ... I thought the two of you agreed not to start one, and to end it ... but I gueuss not ... it's none of my business, and I absolutly do not want to get in middle of this war ... but I admire the both of you very much, and I don't want you to kill each other ... hey, I need you guys so I can learn more things :-) I hope this doesn't end up as Armageddon ... peace brothers ....------------------ "To dream a life, or to live a dream ... only through desire shall the sleeper awaken."

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NefariusDX Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 1392 From: The Hadal Abyss of Eternal Oblivion Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 16:48
damn you still dont even see what i ment in original maybe i posted it the wrong way any way im not gonna continue to post replys on this tread since like i said b4 it will end up worse then it started:facts: 1. i didnt say any side is wrong or right 2. no one has the right to do that any way 3. i said its MY OPPINION no matter what others think/know/discovered 4. when i said other mf ppl in the last reply i ment THE REST OF B.NET my friend was just a comperison in which we tested the effects. i know that even with a megaton of mf u can still find blues and that you can get uber drops of rares with 0mf is also a well know fact 5.i noticed many post of mine are being skipped and read in half or i posted them in a hard to understand way or something since what i claimed was that u get the SAME results with and without magic find 6. im not gonna post one more reply here, this tread almost went thru the roof with flaming 7. no i do admit im wrong but some one has to proof me wrong first (many historical egs show this, the fact that a quintillion ppl say its right dosent mean it is) "THE EARTH IS FLAT" does this sound any familiar today we all know its bs. 8. look at some others post and you see that if some one manages to show that something i said was wrong i do agree 9. any way i dont care, my char has 0% mf and i get loads of uber drops up to 4 uniques from baal on hell, wile with mf u get the same result in the same ratio. ------------------ Nefarius' Secondary Mod Site Nefarius' Primary Mod Site ------------------ XyRAX v21.00 Comming Soon! ------------------ NëƒarIu§ ÖƒƒiçláL [V]oÞÞ¦hg §¡Nce D2C V1.02!!! quote: Gaze into the Oblivion within yourself and you shall become your greatest fears. The escence of leeching is to request before you try

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Apocalypse Demon Moderator
   
Posts: 4023 From: Mississauga, Ontario Registered: Oct 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 16:55
I did read your posts but I discounted them because they were incorrect. And didn't I say that Jarulf was the one that stated the whole thing about how mf works? He has stated what I'm stating now. Also, statement 9 is false.------------------ God gave me a brain to use but I miserably failed to use it to my advantage

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NefariusDX Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 1392 From: The Hadal Abyss of Eternal Oblivion Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 16:59
well apperently not for me, i get loads of good items (just found burriza) and i have as good as no mf maybe a ring that adds 27% but that would be it, mostly i find about 1-4 uniques/10 rares per 2 games if i really search for stuff in high area level places, maybe its just alot of luck, but in that case many ppl i know with alot of mf are the unluckyest ppl on earth------------------ Nefarius' Secondary Mod Site Nefarius' Primary Mod Site ------------------ XyRAX v21.00 Comming Soon! ------------------ NëƒarIu§ ÖƒƒiçláL [V]oÞÞ¦hg §¡Nce D2C V1.02!!! quote: Gaze into the Oblivion within yourself and you shall become your greatest fears. The escence of leeching is to request before you try
[This message has been edited by NefariusDX (edited 07 January 2002).]

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FoxBat Moderator
   
Posts: 1618 From: PA, USA Registered: Feb 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 19:57
Well I did all the calcs just to see if I could find some explanation for all of this. Anyway, something interesting to note is that 500% MF merely doubles your chance of getting a unique. So it's not as big a difference as some might think. And if not wearing MF stuff improves your average kill time, you might start reducing that double difference.Why you would be getting those wierd results with the rare 1000% mf test is mystifying though.

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NefariusDX Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 1392 From: The Hadal Abyss of Eternal Oblivion Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 20:07
on single i retested it with armor/helm/boots/gloves/weapon/shield/rings/amulet full of 250% mf runes and got rares/uniques of almost any thing but act bosses, this is the "MAIN PROOF" to my self that if mf effects act bosses it might be even more reduced then normaly. other ppl can think/belive what they want ------------------ Nefarius' Secondary Mod Site Nefarius' Primary Mod Site------------------ XyRAX v21.00 Comming Soon! ------------------ NëƒarIu§ ÖƒƒiçláL [V]oÞÞ¦hg §¡Nce D2C V1.02!!! quote: Gaze into the Oblivion within yourself and you shall become your greatest fears. The escence of leeching is to request before you try
[This message has been edited by NefariusDX (edited 07 January 2002).]

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Apocalypse Demon Moderator
   
Posts: 4023 From: Mississauga, Ontario Registered: Oct 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 20:18
Like I said, that's not proof, that's just observation from 50 or so runs while everyone else on battlenet(majority) see it the opposite including myself. So, you are saying that I"m lying, that my game is screwed up or I'm just crazy that I got different results then you(totally opposite actually).------------------ God gave me a brain to use but I miserably failed to use it to my advantage

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NefariusDX Honorary Warlord
   
Posts: 1392 From: The Hadal Abyss of Eternal Oblivion Registered: Jun 2001 |
posted 07 January 2002 20:21
ahem read this row again and take alook at the MYSELF"this is the "MAIN PROOF" to my self that if mf effects act bosses " ------------------ Nefarius' Secondary Mod Site Nefarius' Primary Mod Site ------------------ XyRAX v21.00 Comming Soon! ------------------ NëƒarIu§ ÖƒƒiçláL [V]oÞÞ¦hg §¡Nce D2C V1.02!!! quote: Gaze into the Oblivion within yourself and you shall become your greatest fears. The escence of leeching is to request before you try

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